#wordpress-gsoc logs for 2010-03-29
- Mar 29 23:51:37 +0000 2010
- matdumsa
- lloydbudd: Done, I forwarded you my initial proposal.. It's rough but I was only seeking comments before structuring it a little bit more..
- Mar 29 23:49:12 +0000 2010
- lloydbudd
- matdumsa: if u fwd it to Jane or myself -- lloydomattic@gmail.com -- we can see what we can do
- Mar 29 23:43:47 +0000 2010
- matdumsa_
- Does anyone know what's the best way to reach Andy Skelton ? I am trying to get in touch with him by e-mail to suggest an import/export project but unfortunately I did not get any response back from him yet
- Mar 29 20:42:15 +0000 2010
- pufuwozu
- I'd really like to talk about the project with some potential mentors
- Mar 29 20:41:54 +0000 2010
- pufuwozu
- if you need to get in contact with me, feel free to email me, leave a comment on my blog, discuss it on wp-hackers
- Mar 29 20:40:44 +0000 2010
- pufuwozu
- Hi everyone, I put my proposal up not too long ago
- Mar 29 19:35:17 +0000 2010
- bazza
- that being said, I would like to have a "STABLE" branch in SVN to make it easier for people to upgrade without having to svn switch all the time
- Mar 29 19:34:36 +0000 2010
- janewells
- we don't plan to do any major ui overhauls like happened in 2.5 and 2.7 anytime in the next few years, and will just make small imrovements over time
- Mar 29 19:31:19 +0000 2010
- bazza
- I suspect we wont do the legacy branch again..it didnt go so well the first time
- Mar 29 19:28:58 +0000 2010
- stas
- but as you said, I better ask on wp-dev or hackers list
- Mar 29 19:28:14 +0000 2010
- stas
- i know about that, I just had arguments with some people which are older and are not that "smart" when it comes to learning something new that fast, and that's why a legacy branch would be good for
- Mar 29 19:27:12 +0000 2010
- janewells
- and re security it would be a nightmare
- Mar 29 19:26:34 +0000 2010
- janewells
- we don't want people to keep using old software
- Mar 29 19:26:29 +0000 2010
- janewells
- we make ui changes to improve the software
- Mar 29 19:25:21 +0000 2010
- stas
- comparing to something like drupal, wher there's alway a stable branch with no UI changes
- Mar 29 19:24:21 +0000 2010
- stas
- I was asking from an enterprise customer point of view
- Mar 29 19:24:20 +0000 2010
- janewells
- and wound up getting cancelled earlier than they committed to
- Mar 29 19:24:11 +0000 2010
- janewells
- maintaining the back branch was too much
- Mar 29 19:24:02 +0000 2010
- janewells
- we basically want everyone to upgrade and move forward
- Mar 29 19:23:42 +0000 2010
- janewells
- you should ask that in #wordpress-dev, but i haven't heard anyone talking about doing that in forever
- Mar 29 19:23:17 +0000 2010
- stas
- some years ago wordpress had a stable/legacy branch, 2.1 i believe
- Mar 29 19:23:15 +0000 2010
- janewells
- when it's stable, it will be released
- Mar 29 19:22:42 +0000 2010
- janewells
- stas: i don't think i understand your question
- Mar 29 19:19:55 +0000 2010
- stas
- I believe a lot of companies that use wordpres as a platform would benefit from it
- Mar 29 19:19:45 +0000 2010
- stas
- janewells: completely unrelated to gsoc but, are there any thoughts on making wp3.0 branch a legacy/table one?
- Mar 29 18:35:19 +0000 2010
- hwked
- or maybe pick up another idea
- Mar 29 18:35:14 +0000 2010
- hwked
- thanks for giving your point of view on this. I'll see if I can approach this idea in another manner
- Mar 29 18:28:08 +0000 2010
- hwked
- maybe you're right, because we already have versioning for posts and will have for themes in the future. so one wouldn't use this for going back to versions of content
- Mar 29 18:27:59 +0000 2010
- skeltoac
- I tend to look for more specific proposals.
- Mar 29 18:27:42 +0000 2010
- skeltoac
- That's only my opinion, not gospel.
- Mar 29 18:27:09 +0000 2010
- skeltoac
- There is always room for another backup plugin. I just don't think it's unique enough to be a GSoC project.
- Mar 29 18:24:04 +0000 2010
- skeltoac
- is recovering from an unquantified attack your main focus then?
- Mar 29 18:22:50 +0000 2010
- hwked
- it normally gets very messy when a blog gets spammed/hacked. it could be either the db, core files, or the theme files
- Mar 29 18:22:27 +0000 2010
- skeltoac
- protect against, or recover from?
- Mar 29 18:21:18 +0000 2010
- hwked
- and the main driving force is to protect the blog against hacks, etc.
- Mar 29 18:20:55 +0000 2010
- hwked
- The idea is to actually have a sort of versioning for the entire wordpress installation. One that is non-developer friendly.
- Mar 29 18:18:03 +0000 2010
- skeltoac
- Backup is a whole other casserole.
- Mar 29 18:17:41 +0000 2010
- skeltoac
- If you want to move your content between WordPress and some other blogging software, you use import/export.
- Mar 29 18:17:10 +0000 2010
- skeltoac
- To me, import-export is and should be more about blogs being platform-agnostic.
- Mar 29 18:17:04 +0000 2010
- hwked
- but I'm not sure of any efforts for backup/export of theme and plugin files.
- Mar 29 18:15:57 +0000 2010
- hwked
- hmm. you're right in that the import/export idea will render a part of this project's functionality redundant
- Mar 29 18:13:54 +0000 2010
- skeltoac
- Maybe it's too big, maybe not. I meant that there already are ongoing efforts to accomplish the same thing. I think what would make a better GSoC project would be to work with these efforts to find ways to make core more amenable to being backed up and moved around.
- Mar 29 18:12:35 +0000 2010
- hwked
- skeltoac: you mean maybe it's beyond the scope of gsoc project?
- Mar 29 18:10:36 +0000 2010
- skeltoac
- I'm just not sure what to think about it as a GSoC project.
- Mar 29 18:09:44 +0000 2010
- skeltoac
- I'd rate it quite high on both counts
- Mar 29 18:09:31 +0000 2010
- hwked
- skeltoac: just in terms of how feasible you think it'll be and it's utility
- Mar 29 18:08:03 +0000 2010
- skeltoac
- hwked, I am not sure how to answer this
- Mar 29 17:57:16 +0000 2010
- hwked
- this is just an initial approach. I will be thinking a lot more about the implementation and the idea in general over the coming few days.
- Mar 29 17:53:51 +0000 2010
- hwked
- skeltoac: this is a just a basic abstract of my idea. Will love your views on it
- Mar 29 17:53:03 +0000 2010
- hwked
- skeltoac: thanks for joining!
- Mar 29 17:50:53 +0000 2010
- janewells
- hwked: andy skelton is currently in the #wordpress-dev channel (skeltoac). you can ping him there to get his attention.
- Mar 29 17:49:59 +0000 2010
- janewells
- wlk: it's best to start by emailing the wp-hackers list
- Mar 29 17:46:56 +0000 2010
- hwked
- what's the best way to contact andy skelton. I actually emailed him my proposal (very abstract) but didn't hear back from him yet
- Mar 29 17:45:03 +0000 2010
- wlk
- ok, the idea says that this should be integrated within theme editor, but I see it more like additional plugin, so is it ok if I contact them directly of via mailing list?
- Mar 29 17:44:28 +0000 2010
- hwked
- yes, I have one idea of my own. I can choose the other one from the list
- Mar 29 17:43:40 +0000 2010
- janewells
- more than 2-3 though and then it feels like spam, so choose well
- Mar 29 17:43:29 +0000 2010
- janewells
- hwked: yes, you can submit more than one idea
- Mar 29 17:43:15 +0000 2010
- janewells
- hwked: i think he planned to mentor it, but matt might have suggested it
- Mar 29 17:42:54 +0000 2010
- hwked
- last time for template versioning, it was Thorsten Ott
- Mar 29 17:42:39 +0000 2010
- janewells
- it is basically intended to be just like post revisions, but for changes in the template code editor
- Mar 29 17:42:23 +0000 2010
- hwked
- janewells: Oh so we can submit more than one proposal on different ideas?
- Mar 29 17:42:10 +0000 2010
- janewells
- wlk: i don't remember who it was, it might have been matt
- Mar 29 17:41:32 +0000 2010
- wlk
- I would like to know how the person who gave the idea sees it
- Mar 29 17:40:06 +0000 2010
- wlk
- do you know who should I ask to get more information about "template versioning" idea?
- Mar 29 17:39:40 +0000 2010
- stas
- I see. thx for answers. looking forward for the upcoming IRC sessions
- Mar 29 17:38:15 +0000 2010
- janewells
- there are 2 buddypress mentors and 10+ WP mentors, though, so that will be the deciding factor
- Mar 29 17:37:40 +0000 2010
- stas
- janewells: about the slots, as an org you are more intereted in offering slots to ideas related to the WordPress codebase or BuddyPress
- Mar 29 17:36:34 +0000 2010
- stas
- but I liked BP a lot, so I'll stick to ideas related to it
- Mar 29 17:36:00 +0000 2010
- stas
- i'll look through the other ideas, though this one really got me, it's something new comparing to the rest
- Mar 29 17:34:55 +0000 2010
- janewells
- stas: it would be worth submitting a second proposal on a different idea as well, just in case it turns out that the profile stuff doesn't make the cut if we don't get a lot of slots
- Mar 29 17:34:18 +0000 2010
- stas
- btw, I followed your advice and wrote some code that is actually a proof of concept on what I want to achieve
- Mar 29 17:33:40 +0000 2010
- stas
- yeah, I already had a chat with jjj, so I'll get back to him asking what else I need to know
- Mar 29 17:32:53 +0000 2010
- janewells
- or john james jacoby, who is the other committer on BP
- Mar 29 17:32:41 +0000 2010
- janewells
- you can talk to aaron before that
- Mar 29 17:32:33 +0000 2010
- janewells
- he'll be in the irc chat on the 7th
- Mar 29 17:32:19 +0000 2010
- janewells
- (hence it needing to be the plugin that is the project and not the site)
- Mar 29 17:32:11 +0000 2010
- stas
- so maybe I should talk to him and not wait to the 31March (If im lucky to catch him on irc) :)
- Mar 29 17:32:04 +0000 2010
- janewells
- (profiles is a web site, and gsoc is for creation of application code, not web site code)
- Mar 29 17:31:31 +0000 2010
- janewells
- aaron campbell was interested in mentoring on anything touching profiles
- Mar 29 17:31:18 +0000 2010
- janewells
- andy peatling is on vacation until the 6th
- Mar 29 17:31:11 +0000 2010
- janewells
- it would be working on buddypress plugins that we could use on profiles, but the project itself is not profiles
- Mar 29 17:31:08 +0000 2010
- stas
- but I know andy is the BP guys so I believe his input is mostly wanted
- Mar 29 17:30:39 +0000 2010
- stas
- hmm, sorry still not sure which one is gonna be the mentor for profiles idea
- Mar 29 17:29:56 +0000 2010
- stas
- I see, so its ok if I publish it after 31 of March, I would really like to hear some thoughts from community members like andy about what I want to do and in what way
- Mar 29 17:29:19 +0000 2010
- janewells
- we used that part of the application system (messaging students to ask further questions) quite a bit last year
- Mar 29 17:28:51 +0000 2010
- janewells
- earlier is generally better though, so that if mentors have a question they need you to answer in order to decide about you, you have time to see the message and answer the question
- Mar 29 17:28:25 +0000 2010
- janewells
- as long as it's not the last two days, you should be fine
- Mar 29 17:28:10 +0000 2010
- janewells
- but it's worth taking the time to talk to people abd get good feedback before submitting
- Mar 29 17:27:57 +0000 2010
- janewells
- there's always a flood coming in right at the end, so nobody reads them as carefully as the ones that come in earlier
- Mar 29 17:27:26 +0000 2010
- stas
- hey janewells, I wanted to ask if it matters how fast you publish your proposal?
- Mar 29 17:25:50 +0000 2010
- janewells
- but it depends on how many slots we get. if we get a lot of slots, we are more likely to take on more than one per idea than if we only get a few
- Mar 29 17:25:16 +0000 2010
- janewells
- since the best applicant will get the mentor most interested in the idea
- Mar 29 17:24:47 +0000 2010
- janewells
- last year we had two ideas that had two students doing them at the same time
- Mar 29 17:24:28 +0000 2010
- janewells
- do you mean how many students can pick the same project?
- Mar 29 17:24:16 +0000 2010
- janewells
- i'm not sure what you mean. what task?
- Mar 29 17:22:30 +0000 2010
- wlk
- but who decides what is the limit per task?
- Mar 29 17:21:45 +0000 2010
- janewells
- Google decides how many students to let each org have based on how many applications each received
- Mar 29 17:21:28 +0000 2010
- janewells
- wlk: we won't know how many slots we have until applications close
- Mar 29 17:14:07 +0000 2010
- wlk
- hi, I would like to know if there is a limit of students that can join wordpress on gsoc 2010 ?
- Mar 29 16:47:32 +0000 2010
- sivel
- there I think that should be better
- Mar 29 16:44:40 +0000 2010
- janewells
- sorry, hadn't seen that. sivel set the message.
- Mar 29 16:39:23 +0000 2010
- lloydbudd
- sorry for not being explicity "interesed" should be "interested"
- Mar 29 16:38:56 +0000 2010
- ninnypants
- lloydbudd: it's telling you where to go for info on GSoC instead of asking in the channel
- Mar 29 16:34:55 +0000 2010
- lloydbudd
- the channel's Topic includes "Interesed in GSoC?"